The Redemption/Resurrection of our Mortal Bodies

[quote author=PreteristArchive link=topic=591.msg7129#msg7129 date=1179415549] ... ... ... The point in all of this you seem to have clued in on with the recognition that the passing from old to new is something that each of us in Christ must do. However, I do not believe that it is our "physical body" which must be quicked, but our "inner man"... in other words, it is a spiritual process that takes place in each of us, just as it was revealed to have been in the first century. I believe we will find immense blessing in our inner life by recognizing that all of the historical imagery given in natural Israel's history (including her end) is a schoolmaster pointing to Christ's work within us. Then, we will be equipped to recognize that the shaking of things in our life that we have made is done so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain (Heb 12:25-29). ... ... ... blessings! todd[/quote] I certainly agree with all that was said so clearly & amicably, but with one notable exception which I address below. I can agree that the histories from the pages of the Old Testament can reach into our hearts and teach us about human nature and ourselves and draw us to consider our ways and, ultimately, prepare our hearts to take seriously and receive the Christ described in the pages of the New Testament. And I can see how the final days of the Old Testament community, (as predicted in the New Testament & recorded in history books), can serve a similar purpose, as well. Further, I see all of Nature and all of history teaching similarly - Christ the Teacher working within from His Words to teach me lessons from everything, from everything in our surroundings and experiences. Christ is our Teacher, the Bible our Textbook, the World (Cosmos) is our classroom, and Love is the subject. And God is love. I am pretty sure these ideas are not peculiar to Preterist-Idealism, though, but have always pertained to the Christian family at large. As Jesus said, "As written in the Prophets, 'They shall all be taught by God,' and whoever learns comes to Me," John 6:45 [quote author=PreteristArchive link=topic=591.msg7129#msg7129 date=1179415549] However, I do not believe that it is our "physical body" which must be quicked, but our "inner man"... [/quote] Can it not be BOTH? How do you reconcile your statement above with those of Christ's Apostle Paul? Paul is addressing born-again Christians, that is, people who were already enjoying the quickening of their inner man. (We all agree that they had not been "born-again" with their outer man, as stumbled Nicodemus once, but rather, they had been born-again with their inner man). But Paul explains how they were still awaiting the quickening of their outer man - the quickening of their mortal bodies (soma) at the anticipated Resurrection. I study that 1st generation of Christians as primary examples, the pattern set, for my own process of entering Christ's Kingdom. I seek to obtain the same promises and trust that their account was passed down to me to learn how. If they were promised the quickening of their natural-mortal bodies when Christ came for them, so do I expect the same when Christ comes for me, (presumably at the death of my natural body), and my outer man is changed/exchanged from a natural body of flesh&blood for a spiritual body. I expect my outer man to be quickened in the future by that same Holy Spirit of Christ that quickens my inner man now. No waiting after death anymore, "Blessed is everyone who dies in the Lord from now on," Revelation 14:13. Everytime I go to sleep and later wake up again is practice for that great day. What can be gained from overthrowing this faith? Romans 8:11-13 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, [b]he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also [u]quicken your mortal bodies [PLURAL, Greek="soma"][/u] by his Spirit [/b] that dwelleth in you [plural]. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For [b][u]if ye live [present tense][/u] after the flesh, [u]ye shall die [future tense]: [/u] but if ye through the Spirit [u]do mortify [present tense][/u] the deeds of the body (soma), ye [u]shall live [future tense][/u] [/b]. Romans 8:22-23 22 For we know that the whole creation [u]groaneth and travaileth [present tense] [/u] in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even [u]we ourselves groan [present tense][/u] within ourselves, [b][u]waiting [present tense] for the adoption[/u], to wit, the redemption of our body (soma).[/b] [i][They were waiting for the adoption/redemptioin of their mortal [b]bodies (plural)[/b], (Greek, "[b]soma[/b]," the same word frequently used in its singular form throughout the Bible to refer to the human, mortal body). They already had the adoption/redemption of their inner man, their souls, which occurred at baptism. Baptism was also a type and shadow of the Resurrection that Jesus experienced and was bringing to them. The adoption/redemption of the inner man is a deposit/down payment/guarantee of the eventual adoption/redemption of the outer man. And that 1st generation of Christians set the example, the pattern, for all generations of Christians to follow afterward. That is why we analyse the process they went through to obtain the Kingdom of God, to learn how we may follow suit and obtain the same promises - because God is no respecter of persons and is the same yesterday, today, and forever].[/i] 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:5 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, [b]concerning them which are asleep[/b], that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [i]["others which have no hope" = those who had not received the quickening of their inner man, had not been born again, had not received eternal life in their souls, the unsaved].[/i] 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so [b]them also which sleep in Jesus will [future tense] God bring with him.[/b] [i]["sleep in Jesus" as opposed to dead as a dog. Though appearing dead on the outside one who sleeps is alive on the inside with the hope that his body will be quickened again, just like every morning when he wakes up].[/i] 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain [b]unto [time indicator] the coming of the Lord [/b] shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (Rev 11:15): and [b]the dead in Christ shall [future tense] rise first[/b]: [i][See that, "[b]the [u]dead in Christ [/u] shall [future tense] [u]rise[/u] first[/b]." But Paul just got through describing them as "asleep." Their inner man had been quickened with eternal life but their outer man had died. They were promised that their outer man "shall rise," rise again after having gone down, just like what baptism plays out.]Every night we go to sleep and every morning we wake up is practice for this great, anticipated graduation moment for those who are Christ's, those who have Christ's Spirit quickening them from within].[/i] 17 [b]Then [time indicator] we which are [present tense] alive and remain shall [future tense] be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall [future tense] we ever be with the Lord.[/b] 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, norof darkness. Philippians 3:7-15 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 [b]That I may know him, and[u] the power of his resurrection,[/u] and the fellowship of his sufferings, [u]being made conformable unto his death;[/u] [i][How did Christ die? How was Christ resurrected? How did Paul want to emulate Christ in death & Resurrection?][/i] 11 [u]If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained[/b][/u], either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 [b]Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended [past perfect][/b]: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: [i][Even Christ's Apostle Paul had not yet attained this Resurrection of the Dead as of the writing of this Letter to the Phillippians. But we would all agree that Paul's inner man had already been quickened, no? But Paul was anticipating the quickening of his body, as well. He wanted BOTH. He wanted to be in that number – the First Resurrection of the Just at Christ’s anticipated coming, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Thess 4:16, Rev 11:15].[/i] 1 Corinthians 15:21-23 [b]21 For since by man came [past tense] death, by man came [past tense] also the resurrection of the dead.[/b] [i][With the crucifixion & resurrection of Christ, the Resurrection of the Dead was purchased, but it was delivered at His Return].[/i] [b]22 For as in Adam all die [present tense continual], even so in Christ shall [future tense] all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: [u]Christ the firstfruits; afterward [time indicator] they that are Christ's at his coming[/u].[/b] [i][In which way did both Adam & Christ die? In which way was Christ made alive as the firstfruits example for the dead in Christ? The Resurrection of that 1st generation of Christians did not occur whenever they were each found worthy, but their Resurrection had to wait until Christ’s anticipated coming. Something more about Firstfruits can be found here http://tulsapreterists.heavenlyjerusalem.com/?q=node/127][/i] 1 Corinthians 15:42-54 [b]42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body (soma); it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body (soma), and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.[/b] [i][After Jesus ascended, He was glorified, and is never again described in flesh&bone form. He was changed, just as John expected to be, 1 John 3:2-3)].[/i] [b]46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.[/b] [i][“Natural” and “spiritual” what? Their inner man spirits? Not likely. No precedent for use of terms "natural spirit" and "spiritual spirit" in the Bible. But we do see references to the "natural body" and the "spiritual body." Paul is talking about the human body.][/i] [b]47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord [u]from heaven[/u].[/b] [i][The second man is [u]the Lord from heaven[/u], that is, AFTER Jesus completed the process of being born of a virgin, baptised, crucified, buried, resurrected, ascended, and glorified/changed into a life-giving spirit: THIS is the second man, the Lord Jesus they were anticipating to descend [u]from heaven[/u]."][/i] [b]48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne [past perfect tense] the image of the earthy, we shall [future tense] also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.[/b] [i][Now Christ’s Apostle Paul adds detail, he is talking about something that was still in “flesh & blood” form that was awaiting this marvelous change to a spiritual form. A group of people may be referred to abstractly as a "body of individuals" but a group of individuals is not referred to as "flesh&blood." Paul has been talking about the human flesh&blood body all along, not an abstraction or figure of speech].[/i] [b]51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall [future tense] not all sleep, but we shall [future tense] all be changed,[/b] [i][Again, “sleep,” is used to describe someone whose inner man is alive but his outer man is dead, awaiting the awakening of Resurrection at Christ’s Return].[/i] [b]52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (Rev 11:15): for the trumpet shall [future tense] sound, and the dead shall [future tense] be raised incorruptible, and we shall [future tense] be changed.[/b] [i][Again, 1 John 3:2-3].[/i] [b]53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall [future tense] have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall [future tense] have put on immortality, [u]then [time indicator][/u] shall [future tense] be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.[/b] [i]["This mortal," what has he been talking about? We identified it as the believer's pre-resurrection flesh&blood human body, no? Yes, and it is the same term found in Romans 8:11-13, "mortal bodies" that we began with here].[/i] 2 Corinthians 4:14 14 Knowing that he which raised [past tense] up the Lord Jesus shall [future tense] raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. 2 Timothy 2:11-18 [b]11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be [present]dead with him, we shall [future] also live with him: 12 If we suffer [present], we shall [future] also reign with him: if we deny [present] him, he also will [future] deny us: 13 If we believe [present] not, yet he abideth [present-continual] faithful: he cannot deny himself.[/b] 14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. John 6:39-40 [color=Red]39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that [b]of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but [u]should raise it up again at the last day.[/u][/b] 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that [b]every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have [conditional tense] everlasting life: and [u]I will [future tense] raise him up at the last day.[/u][/b][/color] John 6:53-54 [color=Red]53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, [b]Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath [present tense] eternal life; and I will [future tense] raise him up at the last day.[/b][/color] [i][b][They already had eternal life in their souls (inner man), but they were eagerly waiting for the rising up of their mortal bodies (outer man) at the Last Day when Christ was to Return. I have a similar hope for that moment the Great Bishop & Shepherd of our Souls, Jesus Christ, comes for me. It ihas been commonly reported through history of Christ appearing to people at their time of death. Can everyone of such reports by Christians be wrong, worthy of disbelief? (It may have been similar reports that planted the commonly held Old Testament notion that no man may see the LORD and live).[/b][/i] This is further developed at: [b]Outline of Last Day Events http://tulsapreterists.heavenlyjerusalem.com/?q=node/66 Soul & Body: the 2 Parts of Resurrection http://tulsapreterists.heavenlyjerusalem.com/?q=node/119[/b] And so I may boldly confess purifying, blessed hope as each member of that 1st generation of Christians was able to confess during their days in their natural, mortal bodies: [i]I am a born-again soul who presently lives in a natural, mortal body. But I am inheriting a super-natural, spiritual, immortal body in which I shall live forever with the Lord Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father, sharing the Spirit of Love with all the Saints both seen and unseen. Amen.[/i]